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At doomed Peugeot plant, talk of betrayal and war

Reuters -- Auto body painter Kamel Yousfi's extended family emigrated from Algeria to work for Peugeot-Citroen in the 1970s. So news that the factory outside Paris where he has worked for most of his adult life will close came as an unforgiveable betrayal.

His emotional response: to declare "war" on the company.

Yousfi's rage reflected the attitudes of dozens of unionized workers at the sprawling plant in the suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois as they digested Thursday's announcement that their workplace would be shuttered in 2014.

The furious response to the closure, which loss-making PSA Peugeot says is necessary due to overcapacity, stems partly from a Marxist-inspired union culture that casts relations between workers and management as a zero-sum class struggle.


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honda0105
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 3:03:23 AM

Old companies, didn't keep up with the times.
MikeMotorhead
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 8:39:08 PM

tomok,
I doubt you would feel that way if it was your job/company going away.
tomok
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 2:28:28 AM

It's much better being pissed off than pissed on. If the car company cannot make a profit, there is no sense of it being in business. This is the way a normal business and economy works. Things are developed, people see a need and the product comes into use and then other things are no longer needed, can't make a profit and fades away. The same exact thing has happened in the US and many other countries. Build quality stuff at a reasonable price and the company will stay in business. That's life in today's and past economies, deal with it! Do Not rely on the government to help you, help yourself with your own sweat and determination.
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012!
MAC48
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 11:35:41 PM

Economics 101 -- When the cost of resources such as labor, materials, required energy and equipment added to the governmental tax burdens exceeds the amount that the products or services produced can support by its sales price, the company, commune, organization, or individual must cease production in its current location (city, state or country) and go out of business or move the business to a location where the cumulative cost of production can be supported by the sales price of the product or service produced.

Radical socialistic unionism coupled with high taxes to support a socialistic society will eventually compel all businesses that wish to remain in business to relocate to a location (city, state or country) where the business can survive. Take a good look at Sweden, France, New York, Michigan and California for current examples.
NorthglennBill
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 9:32:47 PM

Wasn't there about the same attitude in Detroit a couple of years ago. And where did that get the - bankruptcy.
GordoM
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 9:26:11 PM

"zero-sum class struggle". What a sad simplistic economic philosophy. There is no free lunch. Every business must compete in a world marketplace. If government, labor, or any factor demands too much, the business must eventually go elsewhere or die.
pgerassi
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 9:07:20 PM

Management failed at Peugeot-Citrogen, not the workers. Throw the management out first, say in July 2012, clawing back all of their bonuses and excessive pay, then close the plant, if necessary, once better management is in place (at much lower costs).
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Can't afford to keep the plant open...what can you do?
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Wow
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Okay.
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ok
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No
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Oh.
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:52:04 PM

That's France for you!
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they are feeling the heat too!
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ok....
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to bad
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:32:47 PM


Citroen made neat cars; too bad they closed up some years ago. I don’t know much about Peugeot but I guess they are on their way out now.
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:29:11 PM

bummer!
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:23:25 PM

I guess this is what the union gets for playing hard ball with Peugeot.
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:20:49 PM

No Surprise!!
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How can this be ? In the People's Republic of France ?
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when you don't improve your products....well...you fail!!
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:17:42 PM

war on a company needs to be war on gas prices
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interesting
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hum....declare war on a company is a bit harsh
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:11:12 PM

really
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Alright!!!
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:09:26 PM

On your Marx, get set, go!
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:09:25 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 8:05:20 PM

I thought that company folded years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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Gosh
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not surprised by the outcome
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hmm
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Annother one bites the dust
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ok
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 7:58:48 PM

At doomed Peugeot plant,talk of betrayal and war and unions will break any company ,when they get control.
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hmmmm
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Welcome to the 21st century.
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 7:51:29 PM

Unions will break any company when they get control
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Workers around the globe are revolting due to the conservative policies of corporate greed and loathing.
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It's a new world out there.
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OK
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 7:46:47 PM

America's pastime is Baseball. France's pastime is protesting and vandalism.

Most union members don't get that when a business' revenue is exceeded by expenditures the business goes bust. Look what brought down Chrysler and GM into bankruptcy. It wasn't because Chevy's were poorly made, it was because they were made unprofitably.
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k
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Impressive Manolo1
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The man just wants to keep us down.
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Join the club!
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I agree with scubadaniel
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