honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 2:41:18 AM
EtOH never WILL be the answer either...
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 2:56:48 AM
EtOH has never been the answer.
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slicerette

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South Bend
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:50:09 AM
No, don't blame E15 on Bush, don't mix the 2007 ethanol requirements with the new specific mandate on E15.
In 2007 U.S. Congress passed rules to allow EPA to mandate more ethanol be mixed into our gasoline supply with higher levels of ethanol each year. EPA is allowed to suspense or lower the total amount of ethanol each year but on Nov.16 Even with the 2012 drought, Obama's EPA mandated more ethanol be mixed into our gas for 2013.
Obama's EPA has approved use of E15 this year - 2012. Obama's USDA has approved our tax dollars being used to "grant" $30,000 to your neighborhood gas station to instal E15 Blender Pumpers
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blupupher

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Houston
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 5:36:15 AM
e-anything needs to go away
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gravityhurts

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 4:53:31 AM
Hate it!
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tomok

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Portland
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 12:10:00 AM
E15 gasoline leaving trail of problems, Bad for gasoline engines and No Fuel from Food! Produce straight gasoline, use No additives and limit the EPA! We have enough problems with Sneeky as it is, we don't need anymore. Thanks to the Sheep that voted him back into office and not reasearching what he hasn't done the last four years! Are the sheep saying: I'll voted for him 'cause I like what he says and the way he talks. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII!
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SkooterG

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 11:26:00 PM
Get that crap out of our gas!
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tidalwave3

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 11:11:50 PM
This appears to be a collusion and not the result of good research :(
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bston

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 10:08:14 PM
Bad news for automobiles!
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Ken2OD

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 9:21:22 PM
And still, the LEGISLATIVE IDIOTS keep proposing this CRAP{!
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arb0526

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Greensboro
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 9:06:04 PM
Messed up my lawn mower
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Darwin00

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 9:05:27 PM
Just great!
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Robert44

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 9:05:20 PM
We need STOP burning our food for gasoline!!!
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CarefreeVT

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Burlington
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 9:05:10 PM
old news...
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jcurley

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California
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 9:04:25 PM
That's correct toadNY, except that you need to thank BUSH, CHENEY and the GOP for the E15 requirement. The EPA is just following the law, as defined by the GOP.
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toadNY

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Albany
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:58:03 PM
More ethanol will get US lower gas milage! Thank you US government!
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slicerette

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South Bend
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:56:57 PM
Opps, more than $30,000.00 for one station - Indiana Prairie Farmer reports that one station in Iowa got almost $50,000.00 of our tax money to install two E15 blender pumps - "USDA Rural Development participated in the project by providing a $49,564 grant through its Rural Energy for America Program (REAP). The new fuel station has two fuel dispensers that give consumers a choice of higher ethanol blended fuels such as E15, E30 and E85"
Not only has the EPA approved sale of E15 gas but USDA is "granting" (giving away) our tax money thru this REAP program so gas stations will install E15 blender pumps!
Stop REAP!
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RTTT

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Providence
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:55:24 PM
Seems to me this bs was passed in 2007. AND Obama's no better for keeping it.
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blazerbob91

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:55:13 PM
The EPA says it ain't so.
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fullauto

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Reading
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:53:19 PM
extinction is best
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WIPACKERFAN

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:50:50 PM
Lets go to E0. Pure gasoline is best.
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LCSTEELERBOB

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Gary
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:50:31 PM
lets just stop using it all together
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camel1

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Minnesota
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:50:10 PM
E15 should never have been approved
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rrs517

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:49:18 PM
Another gift from your government who knows what is best for you!
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suzmar

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Texas
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:48:01 PM
The reason we are stuck with this is the EPA and their green agenda.
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Bleeder

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:47:17 PM
Not sure why we have stuck with this stuff.
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OGW

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London
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:46:35 PM
There is not a proven blend of any ethanol that anyone could call good! It is keeping repair shops for cars and trucks,boats,lawnmower and other small engines busy. And it also raises the price we pay for food. One of the worst products ever developed by man!
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SavALot

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:44:47 PM
a trail a mile long!!!
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slicerette

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South Bend
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:43:35 PM
I hope sawdust realizes that USDA is "granting" his tax dollars to gas stations to install E15 "blender" pumps.
USDA is granting $30,000.00 to your neighborhood gas station to install E15 Blender Pumps.
And if your neighborhood station puts in a single hose blender pump, you'll have to buy at least 4 gallons of E10 to make sure you don't get too much ethanol, that's another EPA mandate!
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nwsynthetics

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:41:40 PM
I agree. How about corn for the livestock,etc. Just end the ethanol crap.
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serrog

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Nova Scotia
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:37:21 PM
"Say it ain't so, Joe"
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TTM77

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:34:31 PM
E15 is a shot in the foot. You shave a penny but cost you $20 to save that one freakin penny.
STOP USING FOOD FOR VEHICLE FUEL.
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sawdust1825

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:32:22 PM
No E15 here yet. Hope it stays that way.
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mstearno

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:30:00 PM
as expected
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Dragnet

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Arizona
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:24:32 PM
It has a very negative affect on gas engines. Not what it is all hyped about. The best thing of all is DON'T USE IT!
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Canucktree

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Alberta
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:23:26 PM
Desiel!
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mpg611

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:19:49 PM
Dont use E15 gas.
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PissedATthePump

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:19:02 PM
If nobody buys this crap that will be the death of it.
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GLCSHADOW

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:18:15 PM
Scrap it...
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Tucker16

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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:17:39 PM
Boourns.
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Ply440GTX

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Texas
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:14:00 PM
Nice to see the EPA use strong-arm tactics to force this sh*t down the consumers fuel tank... I don't even know of ANY flex fuel vehicle owners that use E85! They "try" it and never go back...
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Gas4Gore

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:12:00 PM
Oh my!
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drz614

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Harrisburg
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:10:37 PM
and this doesn't begin to cover other gas power tools. i still think the epa should be abolished. the regulations they have submitted for e15 are idiotic. when i see all fed employees driving a vehicle that gets 34 mpg and are paying for the use of that vehicle, i'll be the first to reconsider.
has anyone else ever looked at the car plates on an interstate and noticed that the vehicle passing them at 10+ miles over the speed limit gas gov plates?
i m sure i will get the same negative feedback as last time, oh well.
a fed government agency that cannot be flexible in times of crisis (such as Sandy or issues in california) needs to be reined in. these people work for us folks....
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flyfast

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Kansas City
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:09:52 PM
ban E15
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Cashless

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Akron
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:06:33 PM
Get rid of this crap.
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Godozo

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Gary
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:01:43 PM
So, now we've gone from being able to make slightly over 90% of the gasoline we burn to somewhere closer to 85% of the gasoline we burn. And with Shell asking to export its sweet crude to Canada, it looks like we're going to be stuck with this stuff.
(And just so you know, I'm against the stuff. Where corn is being grown for car fuel, we should be growing veggies and fruits so that everyone can eat well. As it is, we eat too much junk "food" and not nearly enough real food.)
[Edited by: Godozo at 12/3/2012 11:04:07 PM EST]
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wayoung56

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Alabama
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:00:00 PM
More stupidity from the NoBama administration...
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usnerd

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 7:59:20 PM
Wow, going green is a lot harder than it looks.
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HawaiianGuy

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Idaho
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 7:58:04 PM
Obama and his EPA will throw us under the bus in order to advance their Green agenda. After all, the Omnipotent One knows better than you and I what is good for us. And he'll get it, too.
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DEG

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 7:57:52 PM
The EPA should be scaled back and all their regulations (since Clinton) should be reviewed and weighted against economic concerns. The EPA is a large part of the cause of the stagnant US economy.
The requirement for ethanol in gasoline should be completely removed.
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