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GM to Sell Pickups With Option to Burn Compressed Natural Gas

BLOOMBERG -- General Motors Co. (GM), the world’s largest automaker, plans to begin taking orders in April on pickups that run on both gasoline and compressed natural gas, potentially reducing costs for users.

The Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra 2500 HD extended-cab pickups will be offered with a 6.0-liter, V-8 engine that can “seamlessly” transition between natural gas and gasoline, the Detroit-based automaker said today in a statement.

A vehicle such as the ones GM will offer can save a driver $6,000 to $10,000 in fuel costs over a three-year period because CNG is cheaper than gasoline, Joyce Mattman, director of GM commercial product and specialty vehicles, said before the announcement.

“It helps our fleet customers with their total cost of ownership,” Mattman said. “CNG is unique in that it’s


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Submitted Mar 05, 2012 By: liltruckman
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MAJB
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2012 6:21:05 AM

A great step forward. We need to support the pen fuel standard currently before congress. It would require all vehicles to accept differt fuels. The cost increase is estimated at $75 per vehicle... That is not very expensive or a great option!
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rbrk02
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 6:02:44 PM

A step in the right direction but many more steps are needed.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:55:01 PM

That's awesome!
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:40:26 PM

Great move.
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Jeff1944
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:19:00 PM

Good move.
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truvoice1
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:14:17 PM

Its about time that we start to see more CNG options available to the public. Maybe this may be the start of a trend?
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SUNOIL
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:50:30 PM

Great option if it isn't over priced.
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ClarkSC
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:32:09 PM

Build a distribution network.
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majormarket
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:18:49 PM

With CNG prices at a low point, this is good to hear that there will be more fuel choices for drivers.

And, natural gas is abundant here in the US, so drivers can feel better that they are buying domestically.
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Daedalys
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 11:17:50 AM

It seems to me that Diesel is the better more efficient way to power a vehicle. It costs less to make and my experience is that every diesel I have ever owned got better fuel mileage than it's gasoline equivalent. Now if we could just quit playing around with this pipeline and get it done we would be further up the road.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 11:07:08 AM

Honda already makes a natural gas Civic that anyone can order. The problem is finding a filling station that serves non-businesses and will take a household credit card. A home filling station costs $3,800.
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alex395
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 10:45:46 AM

Remember who we are hearing this from-Government Motors. Got a long way to go before I believe anything the Obama Administration management team and the UAW (owners) have to say.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 10:41:48 AM

Excellent way to prop up sales on slow moving and lower MPG trucks ;- }
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 10:14:54 AM

Interesting.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 10:01:36 AM

Compressed gas only vehicles are a terrible mistake,
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 9:30:28 AM

Not a bad idea.
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GBFWB72
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 9:19:46 AM

Most of that "more than 650 miles" of combined range looks like it will probably come from gas, not the CNG.

- At 18 MPG for 36 gallons of gas, thats 648 miles
- At 15 MPG for 36 gallons of gas, thats 540 miles
- At 12 MPG for 36 gallons of gas, thats 432 miles

So don't expect to go too far on the 17 gallons of CNG alone, which will get even less power and worse fuel economy than the gas...

The question now is how much extra the conversion will cost, and if it's worth it at that point or better to just pay less for an all-gas only truck?

And will those trucks all be flex-fuel capable of running E-85?

And don't forget the hit to fuel mileage on the E-10 that almost everyone is forced to buy now...

I wonder when the EPA will start putting fuel economy estimates out on the window sticker of new cars that shows what you can expect to get with E-10 versus straight gas?
Even better they should show what the new cars get with E-15 since they say they can all use it now...
I wonder how many folks will actually use it then when they see how much their fuel economy drops...

[Edited by: GBFWB72 at 3/5/2012 12:21:56 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 9:15:36 AM

This is nice, but I wish they would consider reviving the small v8 diesel engines that Chevy and Ford developed for 1/2 ton pickups. Would Americans be interested in small pickups with diesel?
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 8:21:27 AM

A great option if it's cost effective.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 8:06:15 AM

With so many competing alternitives it seems hard to get any one right.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 8:00:18 AM

Compressed gas only vehicles are a terrible mistake, but duel fuel, with smaller gasoline tanks and the added CNG/LPG tanks, make sense--for now--for fleet use in bigger trucks/buses.

There is an big drawback to using compressed natural gas (liquified natural gas reduces the range anxiety factor, but is more expensive, and really far too dangerous to use in vehicles) or propane.
Besides the extra upfront cost, the range per fill (MPG equivalent) and horsehower falls off badly, and therefore it had better be really cheap to make up. The other forgotten factor, is that road use taxes will have to be instituted on vehicle CNG/Propane if they are going to replace gasoline and road-used diesel. It will make the option a bit less attractive--but it will still be cheaper--for-now--than lioquid fuels.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:46:12 AM

"CNG-only vehicles “are a challenge when you’re using one specific fuel that doesn’t have infrastructure or support across the entire country,” Mattman said. “The range-anxiety issue is very real in this application as well.”"

"GM didn’t disclose the prices of the vehicles, and any premium over gasoline-only cars might offset savings on fuel. "

-Two BIG reasons why this will end up being trashed....
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:41:19 AM

I had Ford pick-ups in our fleet 15 years ago with this set-up. Nothing new.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:36:43 AM

I think Government Motors is getting Right for a change.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:35:06 AM

It's about time some manufacturer starts doing this!
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:35:04 AM

It shouldn't be all that expensive to engineer and install a CNG system on a Silverado pickup. CNG is cheap and plentiful...enough to run this generation and the next 2 or 3 so go after it.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:34:20 AM

Well of course if the demand for CNG goes up, they will detect $$$$ to be made. And as we all do know, profit is everything
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:29:50 AM

Time will tell on this subject. The supply should be good for some time, but price is a good question.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:24:35 AM

$6000-$10000 over three years savings, and the option will be $10,000+ to buy.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:13:41 AM

Based on GM's past track record they will again introduce this option with a very high price point so no one will want to buy it.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 7:09:22 AM

GM does have innovation, regardless of the naysayers
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 6:47:59 AM

This is good news but long over due.

Now I hope NG prices will not skyrocket like diesel and propane did.

I hope the other truck makers will follow suit.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 6:46:02 AM

Good to hear.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 6:33:11 AM

Sounds good!
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 6:28:48 AM

...T. Boone be lovin' that !...
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 6:24:51 AM

I sure wish I had a CNG, it would save a huge amount in fuel bills.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 6:23:33 AM

The world's LARGEST automaker has a CNG option, when will the world's BEST automaker follow?
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2012 6:23:07 AM

ok
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