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Liquid air 'offers energy storage hope'

BBC News -- Turning air into liquid may offer a solution to one of the great challenges in engineering - how to store energy.

The Institution of Mechanical Engineers says liquid air can compete with batteries and hydrogen to store excess energy generated from renewables.

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Submitted Oct 02, 2012 By: Eugenian

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,650 Points:1,612,445 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 2:45:11 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse time will tell. It just might work.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,650 Points:1,612,445 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 5:12:45 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse I'm not so sure that liquid air can compete with other sources. Want to see more info on it.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,650 Points:1,612,445 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 5:07:52 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse I'm not so sure that liquid air can compete with other sources. Want to see more info on it.
jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,773 Points:594,670 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Oct 3, 2012 3:32:48 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse Sounds good, but will it cost effective.
nskmda Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,295 Points:788,505 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 9:06:06 AM Ignore nskmda Report Abuse hope, hope again... go vote, if you want to sit jobless and hope and hope and hope...
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geezrtek Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,922 Points:432,410 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:38:27 AM Ignore geezrtek Report Abuse Let a hundred flowers bloom.
abacus44 Champion Author Toms River Posts:3,498 Points:750,850 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:28:58 AM Ignore abacus44 Report Abuse Has potential.
40mpgsaturn Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:2,500 Points:522,380 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:27:04 AM Ignore 40mpgsaturn Report Abuse I agree with ambudriver!
Grismer Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:8,549 Points:1,726,970 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:25:41 AM Ignore Grismer Report Abuse As indicated by this article, this type of storage is best applied to industrial complexes and could serve very effectively in reducing operational energy costs.
2granny Champion Author Michigan Posts:9,590 Points:1,469,180 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:24:16 AM Ignore 2granny Report Abuse Time will tell how good it really is.
RoLleRKoaSTeR All-Star Author Louisville Posts:975 Points:468,825 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:23:36 AM Ignore RoLleRKoaSTeR Report Abuse Quick - need to add a pic of President Skroob from "Spaceballs" with a can of Perri-Air. http://alloveralbany.com/images/spaceballs_perri-air.jpg /Going to check Fark //brb ///slashies comes in threes [Edited by: RoLleRKoaSTeR at 10/2/2012 10:24:18 AM EST]
AmbuDriver All-Star Author San Bernardino Posts:690 Points:461,955 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:23:04 AM Ignore AmbuDriver Report Abuse Make it a reality and then come back and announce it. Or is it just another dream?
Wizrd03 Champion Author Illinois Posts:8,167 Points:1,635,260 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:20:53 AM Ignore Wizrd03 Report Abuse Not very efficient - like ethanol more energy goes in than comes out. Liquid nitrogen (the air is over 80% nitrogen) when poured out of a container just bubbles, not a lot of vapor pressure. Steam turbines need 500 pounds of pressure to inefficiently generate electricity. Pressures like 3000 pounds are efficient. This is a science project with poor returns to try and justify intermittent wind power.
nwhawk Champion Author Kansas Posts:1,982 Points:575,590 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:18:56 AM Ignore nwhawk Report Abuse Lot of hot air in Barry's camp, convert it to something useful
TXryder Champion Author Texas Posts:2,727 Points:436,570 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:17:27 AM Ignore TXryder Report Abuse Air to liquid is called condensation, or rain. Someone stole the idea from mother nature.
JXQW Champion Author Kansas City Posts:2,787 Points:684,925 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:16:24 AM Ignore JXQW Report Abuse we will fight for air pretty soon, lol
EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:16,705 Points:3,034,520 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:16:02 AM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse Nothing in air is ready to go
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olebufnav Champion Author Omaha Posts:3,994 Points:1,026,155 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:09:12 AM Ignore olebufnav Report Abuse How much energy will it take to liquify the air? Sounds as unrealistic as cold fusion...
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