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New EPA rule could upend high court runoff case

AP -- The issue was a new rule from the Environmental Protection Agency dealing with runoff from logging roads. As it happened, the regulation was issued on Friday, less than 72 hours before a Supreme Court argument dealing with the same topic. The regulation probably will keep the court from issuing a meaningful ruling in the dispute between timber interests and environmentalists.

The new regulation makes clear that the muddy water coming off a logging road should be considered the same as water running off a farm field — not like the water that flows out a pipe from a factory and requires a special permit.


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honda0105
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 2:44:04 AM

depends on what's in the muddy waters.
rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 11:50:51 PM

Hilarious how many people took the article to mean just the opposite of what it said, apparently because they're unable to see anything that doesn't fit with their prejudices.
PrettyLittleLady
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:44:52 PM

EPA is way behind the times..logging has been going for many Centuries.
nomad228
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:40:57 PM

no duh. : ) water running off a mountain from a road is not the same as runoff from a factory allowing waste water to run into the waterways used to make drinkable water. and all they need to do is pass a bill/law that requires mining companies to build roads that don't allow excess run off directly into the streams/creeks/rivers. it has been done for over 2 centuries in kentucky/west virginia and many many other states.since the beginning of hydraulic mining was found to release all kinds of nasty underground chemicals/minerals .....shall we say poisoning cattle/livestock. if you ask me the epa is way behind on this one.
Quick68
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:15:22 PM

Does that mean the states will have to stop using salt on the roads? Salt is much worse going into the rivers than mud.
Zonk
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:14:14 PM

Hard to believe a Supreme Court decision could be that slanted.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:12:55 PM

@clermont40miles keeps saying "Green is Red".

He's right. Green is the color of money and Red is the color of the Republican Party.

Class dismissed.
yakstar
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:12:18 PM

hard to believe...
joel27nc
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:11:51 PM

what
tedjm1
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:11:48 PM

More rulings, more questions, more reviews, more rulings......
mfeldstein
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:11:31 PM

So what's the Supreme Court going to do about this affront?
streetcars
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:11:02 PM

Gonna treat all roads the same? That is gonna cost a lot of money!
Aviator_Rob
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Watch the movie "Lincoln", @rjoeh, and Daniel Day Lewis will explain the use of presidential power.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:08:48 PM

Sounds Good.
Rageagainsttm
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:07:27 PM

way to go
rawdog1313
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:06:13 PM

It should be regulated and held accountable! God knows they don't have enough sense to regulate themselves!
bridgerunner
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:05:30 PM

Stop with the crazy rulings.
jkpsr
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:05:28 PM

The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:01:25 PM

Political games to the nth degree
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:59:59 PM

ok
clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:51:25 PM

Shut down the EPA jackboot thugs.

Green is red.
mfeldstein
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:47:34 PM

If cows or horses use the road and if transport trucks use the rad, then poop and oil leaks in the runoff, if into a creek, could pollute the waterway. People might drink the stuff and get sick or die. Kids understand this.
Redink
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:47:33 PM

Stupid
yyc2yow
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:46:38 PM

Don't they have better things to do?
rjoeh
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:44:43 PM

Another example of the current administration enacting rules without the blessing of actual enacted law to support them... yet the rules can and often have the same effect as LAW. Most have been made arbitarily with little support from the public.
sickhp
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:40:28 PM

EPA needs disbanded.
boatmen
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:37:27 PM

Guessing we will see as it plays out
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:31:34 PM

How about harvesting lumber responsibly instead of clear-cutting the whole side of the mountain, @TBRR? Maybe that way, you won't get so many mudslides when it rains.

And as for work ethic, you really think that someone who makes millions by tapping a few keystrokes for a hedge fund is working hard? Time to rethink your values.

Seriously.
mstearno
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:31:28 PM

EPA stinks
they make rules but could care less about the cost
atdinut
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:25:43 PM

Nice to see some sensibility taking place!
TBRR
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:24:05 PM

there goes the stupid EPA again under obummer trying to shut down the lumber industry. welcome to the dark ages for this country. where can i get some whale oil for the lamps?

Push work ethic, not redistribution of wealth.
gd83goldwinger
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:20:14 PM

This one keep a eye out what happens.
pacecar68
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:18:26 PM

ok.
WIPACKERFAN
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:16:02 PM

OK
gsayeg1
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:15:13 PM

way over my head
EconomiserAZ
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:15:02 PM

The EPA has delusions of adequacy.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:13:53 PM

Hey everyone, I must be psychic! I foresaw that a bunch of Internet trolls would post nonsense messages on this forum about disbanding the EPA.

Next, I'm off to come up with next week's Powerball numbers.
30mpg80
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:13:39 PM

Makes sense to me
davenles
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:05:18 PM

This EPA reg actually makes sense.
bvrbill
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:03:32 PM

Not sure what to think about this.
John747
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:03:18 PM

Another example of the Obama administration doing their best killing off jobs!
BREW9
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:03:10 PM

ok
TWS658
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:01:46 PM

It is just runoff from the landscape in the forest and not some sort of hazardous chemical.
suzmar
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:01:40 PM

We need a lot less EPA.
FlyNFool
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:01:34 PM

Time to defund the EPA and save some money!
wayoung56
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:01:32 PM

Hmmm...
tco9436
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:01:18 PM

Uggggh
OGW
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:59:42 PM

Water running off most logging roads is contaminated!
walkingtall
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:58:18 PM

We need less regulations.
REKEY
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:55:00 PM

Odd!
SpankyMI
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:52:07 PM

These regulations are screwing all of us.
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